what's going on guys black scout survival and have a special guest with me today this is uh jenna lee from smarter news smart her news and uh she runs a social media news program great stuff i've been following for quite a while jenna can.

You tell us a little bit about yourself well thanks thanks for having me yeah no this is great i was like black this is survival survival is really about being able to pursue your own storyline you know what i mean like that's what survival is about that you're not outsourcing it so i'm really glad to be here yeah i've been a.

Journalist for more than 15 years once you get over that 15-year period like you just say more because then it makes it sound a little bit old so i've been a journalist for a real long time doing a bunch of different things there's me at fox news and you can see my makeup and hair looks a lot different now so i'm wearing less makeup now and i've.

Rededicated myself to quick concise non-partisan news when i was working in the journalism field overall i really got the question this is crazy the number one question i got as a news anchor is where do you go to get the news because people really just wanted the news they just wanted to hear well where is the news how do i access.

Just what's happening and i'll get the opinions in the commentary later but i don't even know what's going on and so i thought well that's a need in the market i'm going to see if i can develop a digital news platform that can fit that need i'm going to start with my peers so you have smart her news right which is if there's a multitasking.

American woman like how do i get to her if i can get to her i'm going to be able to get to a lot of other people too and so it started with that it's expanded the audience obviously has a lot of different people we have a lot of guys following us too turns out if you create something for women men like to hang out so here we are so that's where i've been.

Doing this for now smarter news will be going into its fifth year so i've been off of more traditional media since about 2017 and kind of launched myself into entrepreneurship from there that's great you know i i was telling you but i'll tell my followers i i've talked about you quite.

A bit on my channel because people ask me where to get your news from you know everything's so biased and so my wife kept you know dming me your uh content and i would look and she like you just need to follow this lady and so i started following you and what i like is you are non-biased it's just news and it's concise so you know i don't have a.

Lot of time i can't you know sit around for 30 minutes your everything's to the point you know i can absorb it and make my decision opinion or what have you and move on which i really like and you know you're bringing up uh you're leaving the news and media bias because that's a lot and i was unaware of media.

Bias i guess i was just you know ignorant to it but uh like i was telling you before we started recording i did not really pay attention to any current events any news and i just thought what i saw on tv was the truth what was actually happening i did not did not understand the type of tactics that were being used.

Against me as well as the rest of the population but uh one day i was watching uh during the early coven and i saw trump giving a speech it cuts to the nbc anchor and they say something completely different than what trump said and i said that's not what he said you know and at that point i realized that i need to be careful of.

What i'm you know uh consuming so obviously misdirection texture means actually uh took a few notes down this may be some verbiage you may be familiar with we had hogan ghibli the former deputy press secretary for the white house and he mentioned.

Some of these words and so i googled them and they learned what they were so like things like spinning uh mission i'm sustaining substantiated claims sensationalism uh you know opinion pieces obviously slant uh mind reading.

Flawed logic bias by placement and omission of source attribution so you're probably familiar with these and these are tactics that the media uses can you kind of talk about media bias why you why you're doing what you're doing and uh how big of a part of the media you see is involved in that well it's it's.

I when i became a journalist the whole idea of journalism is that it's a search in the in in my philosophy for it was we are service industry you know freedom of the press is fundamental to america we're going to provide a service to the public so i'm not going to maybe serve in the military like you did but this is.

Something i can contribute because if people have access to information then they can make up their own mind they chart their own course which is what we want in america that's why we have freedom of the press that's why we want to have access to information sometimes even unpopular opinions because the more access you have.

In my opinion the better equipped you are than to be an active voter to be a member of your community to think about these different issues so i was a little bit naive going into the journalism field because why would anyone become a journalist if they don't want to show both sides like curiosity actually is the engine of journalism.

Curiosity is a great thing to embrace because you learn so many new things it's one of the best things about being a journalist and learning new things and then being like guys listen to this you know and that's like that's what i love that's the storytelling picture or piece of journalism that i really love storytelling is a difficult word because.

I don't want you to think that we're telling you fairy tales it's that hey we're gathering information and then we're going to put it together because you're super busy you've actually lived your life all day you're dealing with your family i got you for like two or three minutes let me tell you some interesting things and give you.

A pathway to more information if you'd like to learn a bit more that's what i thought journalism was really about and what's and that both sides are guilty of this so whether it's conservative media or liberal media there's just been a constant creep towards more commentary and opinion journalism is an excuse for a lack of.

Discipline that sort of journalism and news is like junk food for the mind it's cheap it's easy you're not really doing that much work you're just kind of feeding the same angles over and over again and again it's an excuse for not actually doing the work you basically have you trip over opinions as you're brushing.

Your teeth in the morning it is actually harder to not show both sides than to create a narrative that is actually one side so to me what i'm doing now is is what what i hope to be a move back towards healthy journalism and health like a healthy functioning of the press which is not necessarily 24 hours is not.

Necessarily all conservative or all liberal it's hey this is what's going on and then live your life and here's the thing if you have high quality information in low doses and this is how i thought about smarter news kind of like a tapas bar a lot of appetizers like your accumulation of knowledge over a period.

Of time is really really high which i can't say the same if you're just sitting in front of cable news all the time listen i worked in cable news i worked for fox news i'm very grateful for my time there there were a lot of great journalists working with me and continued to work in the field of journalism so i don't want to be.

Down on all of that but the reward system for being more sensational and for being more one way and taking a stand and we're not going to mention that other side because we don't agree with them we're not you know and by the way that's miss calling things misinformation yeah i i get it listen i don't um there are times that i'm.

Looking at two different opinions and based on my reporting i might think you know maybe i i i would tend to think well i don't know if that really fits you know based on all the research i've done so far but that's not i'm not supposed to be a judge and jury i'm supposed to present the information.

To you so you can be judge and jury and so i think that just the whole system of news has just been the reward system for being more opinionated and sort of this moral authority of like if i'm not this way um then this poor public won't understand this information it's a very elitist.

Attitude right it's an elitist attitude that has infected this industry and so part of like stepping away and appearing sometimes on camera and talking to you about this latest cdc call with my kids in the background yelling and my like side ponytail it's part of doing it is like it has to.

Be about the information yes and making sure that you get it in the right time so i don't know that that covers a lot of ground i don't know if i've answered your question directly but there's so many pieces to this that um i'm concerned about the industry and i wouldn't be working and going into entrepreneurship because it's hard and.

It's difficult if i didn't really believe that this is not only important for for me and for my you know for wanting to to pursue my hopes and dreams i think it's really important for america and if we don't start showing better models that actually work then we're we're going down a path that.

I worry we can't get back from and i always almost think that's that's true of the mainstream or traditional media already yeah i mean uh uh obviously you had conviction and and what led you to do you know like about how long you had been in the business before you felt like this isn't right or you know you've.

Seen the bias that's so it's such a great question i was thinking about this this morning before we we chatted so a lot of what's going on with the media landscape now has been attributed to president trump and that's in the the trump era in that period but that but that's not where this started for me um.

I started noticing our viewers on fox so just a little background so i was a co-host of a show called happening now on the fox news channel was the middle of the day show we were a show that was like a a property that was dedicated to fair and balanced news which was the tagline for fox news at the time we covered a little bit of everything so i.

Could interview a senator an ambassador do a car chase do a weather hit with you know about a hurricane and talk about a you know a scientific study on the same two-hour period and we our whole goal when i started at fox was fair and balanced news we're gonna have both sides represented we're gonna have.

A strong democrat a strong republican that is our mission and the mission creep away from that started as i probably might like i would say my first or second year at happening now we had this thing called twitter now i'm gonna make myself totally old we started to use social media social media is.

Great you have instant interaction with your audience and so the perception of the fox news audience was oh these are a bunch of conservatives they only want conservative thought but my audience that was following me tended to be very independent and they started to say things like hey like i just would.

Like to hear what's going on like there's too much screaming on this panel like i can't actually hear like what actually happened can you go back and tell me what actually happened so i found myself like we're actually not providing the service that the customers want but here's the other thing i think everyone needs to realize there was a.

Term used at fox maybe still is used i don't know i haven't been there in a while called red meat red meat is the sort of content that gets people fired up so think about red meat throw into a lion at the zoo they're going to tear at it like we got.

To do a red meat segment you know this could be a cultural segment a political statement this is going to get people really fired up i hated red meat segments because they tended not to actually provide information it was just an opportunity for a lot of fireworks on the screen and emotion and that's fine but if we're not.

Actually providing information then we're not actually doing our job and the emphasis on more red meat topics was increasing at the same time that the request from our viewers for more information was increasing so these things were moving on different paths and just from a purely business perspective you know i.

Was concerned about that yeah so you know i think it's like the click baity type yes and is that what controls this or is there something else is it you know some like secret society somewhere like a dark figure.

Um so you know obviously money is probably driven a lot because of the the clickbait or do you think it's political i mean what what is causing this who's controlling this well i i think that's an issue that's an interesting question one of my uh my experiences at fox was that i.

Didn't actually have a lot of con contact editorially with anyone really over us so in a lot of ways we did a lot of our work independently and what i would say is something i don't think people think about you know stereotypes exist for a reason uh when i was.

Starting at fox the daily show with jon stewart was really big and jon stewart would make fun of fox and sometimes we actually really deserved it sometimes we didn't but i remember a new writer came on and they were writing you know a script for something i was reading and of course i'm responsible for what i eventually read on air so i was you know.

I was looking at what was written and a lot of times i was doing my own writing and the way that they wrote this script sounded like a jon seward like segment you know i was like wait and i called them i said hey i'm just like curious like why did you write it that way you know like why did you take that tone.

And they said he was a guy and he's like oh i i thought that's what you guys wanted you know i thought that's what you wanted and it's almost like the stereotype perpetuated the bad behavior more hey i thought this is what fox is about like i thought we wanted more red meat.

And in some cases i felt like there wasn't enough editorial discussion about well what do our viewers really want and how can we circle up and make sure that we're actually accomplishing that mission so sometimes you wouldn't get stories that hey this these are the stories we're going to cover for the day and sometimes.

It's almost like these topics appeared because someone somewhere thought this is what people wanted but they weren't actually talking to the audience so who determines the stories and like what what stories that they like omit who determines that well it's.

Absolutely i would say it's total ownership of the journalists that's on camera about for example as a news anchor i was responsible for my interviews for what i covered when i didn't so there's there is some personal editorial choices that are being made there's also in a large news organization likely like an editorial.

Note that goes out in the morning that'll say here's the stories that we're going to cover and i would say in those editorial notes they're more just like a list of the topics for example like today we're talking the day after the january 6 committee hearing so that would be on there hey this is a topic you can cover.

This is something else you can cover here's a reporter that we're going to have here and here's how you can build your show that's how we would build our show so the executive producer of the show i was also heavily involved of like i don't want to do that topic i want to do this topic i like this foreign policy.

News let's scrap this panel i don't want to do that and so that's how the show would come together as some of these um i think as we've seen through the pandemic again i wasn't in a traditional newsroom at the time i think it's pretty clear that there were some editorial calls being made about hey we're not going to.

Give equal time like we're not going to do a debate about you know whether or not the vaccine's working for example or we're not going to talk about uh this guy robert we're not going to do it like we're going to shut that down because we've already moved on from there and so that probably is coming from whoever the the director is or a.

Consensus from those that are in business uh at the very top you know and and that is true it is important for you to know as a consumer who owns the news organization they are involved they are writing the executive producers or the directors and being like i like this guy i don't like this guy take that girl off the air let's do this topic i don't like.

What was said there let's think about it differently and so that that there is that business side of it as well the click bait i think is just a poor model in in news that uh that's rewarding quantity over quality and i think as advertisers realize that like putting their toyota ad you know.

And having it explode in your face when you're trying to look like actually does it make you want to buy a toyota i think we're moving social media has allowed us to move a little bit away from that and i think as that system starts breaking i think we're going to see something different i hope anyways well it's funny mention that because i i do know a lot.

Of and i think you've experienced this as well like the shadow banning is and stuff like that um i've experienced it and i think that you know what from what i've read like and i know cnn has spoke about this but you know a lot of the mainstream me are afraid of social media because we have much more viewership you know and things like.

That in it and it hurts them yes and they see us as competition and so could that be why there's a lot of uh you know the shadow banning and stuff because youtube for example i had i talked about this uh maybe last month uh the the ceo of youtube was at the world economic forum and they she said she.

Told them that they will hide your numbers they will try to you know uh demoralize you you know demotivate you to stop making content by suppressing or making it look as if if it's suppressed so you may have a video that shows a thousand views but you really have a hundred thousand views on it um it is.

You know you think this is a a tactic to stop that so basically we feed off of what do you think is working uh this system is working together or no it's just um a coincidence i don't know i don't know what to make of it to be honest with you i've certainly had content that's been taken.

Down and then put back up and here i am you know i'm like hey i'm a non-partisan news platform you know i think i'm going to be okay and one of the revelations was oh no i'm not like i'm not the there's there's you know whether there's an algorithm whatever is going on and that's the hard thing right we don't.

Actually know what's what we're even being judged on that's scary place to be i do believe though that ultimately the power of the individual will win i do believe that i'd like to believe that that the audience no matter what platform they're viewing on ultimately has the most power so we're.

Going to find we're going to find you we're going to help you're going to find us if you're really passionate about this topic and that sort of relationship is so much power more powerful than let's say a couple million people watching good morning america in the morning and they're talking about like you know the.

Best buys for the summer so i don't really i don't really know what to make of it and it's been um it's been a huge challenge and what really bothers me now is that you you know i i've done nothing in my career to suggest that i'm trying to tilt one side.

Or the other and now i'm thinking sometimes about those editorial choices of oh if i do that like it's gonna get taken down you know and the minute that i think that i'm like okay i can't do that i gotta i gotta push forward i gotta do it anyways because nothing i'm doing is that radical or that challenging but because.

Of the things that get caught in the drag net it can be really damaging to me as a small business so whenever i'm thinking about that that comes to mind it's a very it's a very scary thought and i don't i don't know you know are all these people in power in cahoots i think again there's a very elitist thinking of we know what's best for you.

The public can't make up their own minds we can't put this in front of them because heaven forbid they believe it you know and that's just a warped way of looking at your fellow citizen yeah that's very sad because you're choosing to possibly not even talk about something to be lumped in there and i've.

Seen you my wife would bring it up but like you'd be attacked by a certain group of individuals just because you've covered a story not right yes because you don't take opinions your side you just place out news but people will attack you because the story you chose to talk.

About you know well and it'll come like for example we did something uh i don't i don't cover every january 6 committee hearing the same way i'm always looking for news value but yes if i cover it or i covered it in the wrong way that people like oh you posted a video but you didn't post a comment you said something but you didn't do this i saw.

This on your website but you didn't do it online like what's and it's it's it's it's crazy i mean it's a lot of energy i wish i knew about you during uh trump administration apology then because i'm sure just you even reporting a lot of that you probably got a lot of backlash yes and here's the thing about the trump administration um that i think was.

Really important and important for us at smarter news the office of the presidency deserves respect period one of the things that i don't do is i never refer to any presidents by their last name we don't say trump we don't say biden we don't say obama i remember distinctly being on air saying obama this and.

Thinking that sounds gross like he's the president of the united states you may hate him you may love him i don't know but simply referring to president trump as president trump made us different than everybody else because we were showing respect and you may not agree with what his policies are that's.

Fine it's still the president of the united states so little things like that really matter yeah you know and come from the military in your husband's military too so he he can say the same thing you may not always respect the individual but you have to respect their rank or their position you know i mean it's just how.

That is supposed to work you know so it was it's baffling to see disrespect towards people in these positions um you know obviously the the the news is you have to be cautious what kind of uh advice would you give the american citizen the common man to do to ensure he's not consuming uh you know bad information or things that.

Are you know not news opinion pieces and things like that well i'd say first of all like you have to really trust your gut and i think that sounds really obvious but you know when you're looking at information you know what sort of editorial choices you're making so if you're only on.

Certain websites you you know maybe you're only getting the conservative point of view just be honest with yourself about that but also know that you're however you're feeling about the news or whatever questions you have are probably the right questions and i think re-prioritizing the consumer and reminding them how powerful your vote is.

How powerful you are as consumers is really really important so trust yourself on that something sounds weird it probably is weird um the other thing i do i think is i still go back to and it's not without bias i don't think anything is totally without bias you know oh this is like even smarter news i am making certain editorial calls of.

What i'm covering what i'm not but i do go back i'm a little old-fashioned i do go back to the associated press news wires um they have the reach the international reach still you're getting a lot of good access you're getting a lot of images from around the world so i would go back to basics and not necessarily go to those.

That are filtering the information if you find a journalist you like like for example you like smart news great follow us one of the things i do is i link you back to primary sources so you can listen to the cdc media briefing why isn't everyone showing you that media briefing you can listen to the whole thing you might actually.

Find that what was being talked about after the briefing wasn't the main part of it you know this is why going to primary sources so going to news wires matters a lot of a lot of companies and a lot of the government agencies have transcripts and you can listen watch along for yourself and i would.

Encourage you to do that because yeah journalists are trained you know when i have repetition i have accumulation of what i'm covering over the years i would hope that i would be good at picking out hey these are the three things that i think are the most important to you but you may have something else that's important so i'd really embrace every.

Once in a while you know i know you probably are short in time but if you have opportunity every once in a while i would go to the primary sources of whatever anyone's talking about and just listen for yourself if you haven't listened to a full committee hearing for january 6 i go back to that i would listen to one.

Just pick one you know and it's it's just do it once you don't have to do it like me i'm like oh my gosh how many more hours do i have to listen to him any hearing i'm folding laundry i mean i'm doing it all the time because it's so long you know and sending hearings all this but if you don't listen to the whole thing.

Then you don't really know and so i would i would just encourage people to do that every once in a while you know if you're listening to a couple hour podcast you know just kind of mix that in i think it'll be refreshing well i think you know that's awesome that kind of discipline to you know ensure you're giving accurate information uh i always.

See that as well like that people do not do any research they'll read a headline they won't even even read an article they'll read a headline and then you know repeat that and quote that like it's truth um yes yeah and you know i believe the america's more divided than i i've i've seen in my lifetime um and i feel.

Like the media has a lot to do with that do you feel the same way yes although i i said this a little while on smarter news and i think it's an interesting way to think about it we hear that a lot about americans being divided but if we're 50 50 we're either really divided or really balanced it depends on how you want to look at it.

What words you want to use i think tension is really important in america and i think it's important in journalism too so that we push each other for the next best thing and when you're challenged on your opinions then you can reaffirm them or change them and that's what we want so i do think the media what what i.

Think as a journalist is that storytelling is really powerful so the story that you're telling yourself as an executive as a dad as a husband the story that you're telling about your life the repeat of that in your mind on a regular basis does create the framework for the world that you're living in so the repetition.

Of the anger or the the the tone of the media it's almost not as it's not that i don't think the content is important it's the tone it's the words that are being used over and over again i don't think it's healthy and i don't think it allows you to think outside the story lines that are being presented and that's where i.

Think the media again on all sides liberal media conservative media needs to do a better job and the only way they can do that is re-prioritize the audience as the most important reprioritize themselves as a service not a celebrity industry and really say i'm going to figure out how to serve you.

Best so that storyline that we're thinking about the futu america now and the future of america is one where there's a lot of freedom to create rather than these these scripted roles that we all think we're in battling so yeah i think i mean i think uh i think it's i think the media definitely is a part of it but.

Storytelling overall is a part of you know all of our realities and so that's that's where i think the media needs to needs to do a better job you know there was uh you probably heard of this but in the cold war there was a operation mockingbird that the cia had developed about using media to basically control the populace and obviously.

That's been done throughout history hitler did it and uh you know i read a time magazine article if you i'm not sure if you're familiar with it that they basically said that the private sector essentially did this during the 2020 uh campaign election uh you know so you said do you think these tactics will continue seeing these type.

Of tactics being used like were these you know groups gang up for you know partisan politics and things like that yes because the only way that stops them if they suddenly don't get viewership or they don't have users so like facebook doesn't have users i don't care if.

They're you know two out of every seven people on the globe have a facebook account if that's suddenly people go away they don't have as much power so i think that's really something to think about i know it's difficult listen i love social media so i think that's hard right it's hard to take yourself off of that you know the hunter biden story is.

A great example of that and what what was going on before the censorship over that yes and then suddenly the media being like oh yeah i guess there was something to that you know like you know later um that what the census censorship the emission that you talked about at the beginning of our.

Conversation i think is is terrible you know um and i don't know again i don't know what changes that you may not think the hunter biden story is a big story we did cover it on smarter news we did like a couple bullet points we chose one major attack from.

The republican camp and one major attack from the democrat camp and covered them and said like here's the basics of these that's i that needs to be done uh that wasn't censored by the way but um clearly there was censorship happening you know with the new york.

Post for example being taken off and that's just that's super dangerous very uncomfortable and i don't know you know i don't know like there's no law that prevents it so i don't know what stops it but it's it's really scary it's really scary the hunter bite i'm glad you brought that up you know uh.

I have followers all over the world and i have people that will send me information all the time so whenever uh the hunter buying story broke it was like a week or two before the election and i did a vid on it because a guy from overseas he sent me media uh some stories of the the um you know the laptop being talked about i was like.

It's not talked about here so i watched it and they even had like you know footage from his laptop and so i did a youtube video on it and i immediately got a strike and they said it was terrorism and so the this year i've done a you know i did one.

I had no problem with it so i went back to that video and then i um asked for it to be mainly reviewed and i got approved so i had you know it they they tried to stop you know censor all uh you know content creators from talking about that.

You know well let's be clear that story was being weaponized right and i'm saying i know that's a tough word but it is you know the republicans were using that story as a way to be like hey like i we don't think you should vote for this guy you know just like the democrats are weaponizing a story against trump so there is pl you know.

There you especially as journalists you got to be real careful especially that period of like what is really happening here you know what's really the truth and why do we have this coming out now and the timing is strange you know like you do have to ask those questions yeah but to all right say we're not even going to let you talk about it is.

I mean that's just not that's not freedom of the press and that is something that's basic in america so if we're not doing that and if a company doesn't embrace that that's what i'm saying we're in a real dangerous period because whatever you think you someone might think well that.

Was good because i don't really want to hear about that anyways and then it turns out to be something that is really important to you many years later maybe it's information about covid for example yes and when it's the shoes on the other foot.

It's it's a different story yeah you know whenever uh when uh the 2016 election clinton and uh trump were the the movie uh the 13 hours benghazi movie i had a friend that was involved in that but it came out like a month before the election you know i almost thought that was you know weaponized as.

Well you know release yeah i know politics is gonna happen you know and all it takes that's a great example all it takes is saying hey guys here's a story that came out you know just want to remind you it's like three weeks before the election so be real aware that there's gonna be a lot of this.

Going back and forth that said here's the story you just have to recognize it you know we can't assign blame or um you know motivation but i think the audience knows that they're like okay cool let me just keep that in mind as i'm looking at this story yeah so i have two uh headlines here one from fox one from cnn covering the same story.

And i just want to talk about the uh you know the drastic differences here so here's cnn it says three people killed and two injured during a shooting at an indian shopping mall and then fox is indiana shopping mall shooter shot dead by armed good samaritan police say same story different headline.

You know these mass shooter situations have been on the rise and media covers them sensationalizes them um to an unstable person that could be a way for them to gain their fame do you think the media is part of this problem i know you did some polling on your uh instagram about this how do you feel.

About it yes yes and and overwhelming people thought that that was the case yeah you know the shoot the the shooting stories first of all they deserve coverage absolutely those two headlines are great examples about how how one headline can tell you so many different things it's one of the reasons.

Why at smarter news we don't do headlines we actually use a quote from someone as sort of our lead because then you get instant information directly from a source rather than an editorial opinion about what actually happens uh the there's clearly two different sides to.

I don't wanna say political agendas but this what's terrible about these shootings it's number one you're having people that lose their lives we don't want that ever we want everyone to be safe and happy we don't want anyone to lose their lives but instantly it's a story that is instantly politicized within an hour of it taking.

Place and you can see very very early how difficult it is to find out well what exactly happened you know what exactly happened here and so i think those headlines are great there because they show you how how you have two different pictures and you know fox is saying hey here's here's someone that was able to.

Take a bad guy out and cnn is saying here's another shooting and then there's a gun issue in america without saying it you know that's what the coverage that we're gonna get and we almost have a template that we're following and that's where when we have a template for stories.

Where we're like uh here's another shoot here's another thing that happened here's the other we're gonna queue let's that's you know book the the nra and the anti-gun establishment and we're gonna have a panel on them and we have the same conversation that we've had 25 times before we're actually not going to talk about this unique story what.

Actually happened here what took place the different different perspectives of what happened on the ground you know i think that that's where the stories are hijacked quickly for political agendas and it's like a you know wash rinse repeat and then move on in a couple days and i think probably a lot of your viewers can.

Feel that way too it's almost kind of like lazy i guess you know yes it is lazy it's like um you know just a lazy way to get stories out like without really delving into getting information and providing information just using opinion and that goes for both both sides of the news partisanship yeah absolutely.

One last question for you um what do you feel the state of america is and the future of america what what do you feel i think we're in a period of great creative disruption and creative destruction and creative disruption so i think we are in this period where there's a lot of innovation taking place i mean the fact that you.

Have such an incredible following on youtube and really all over all social media platforms not just youtube is a credit to that you know people find those that they trust and want quality information from um they also find innovative people that are looking to solve problems for them all all different parts of their lives.

Your smarter news is about solving a problem in news i want you to have a place where there's quick concise non-partisan information the fact that i exist now where we have a following that's growing and thriving of people from all over the world with different political you know persuasions.

Is a credit to this this creativity that i believe doesn't get a lot of attention but it's definitely happening you're seeing it in your own life every single day i think you should be encouraged by it and i think if people remember the power that they have as an individual how they spend their money how they spend their time is literally the most.

Powerful thing in the united states that's what the gov that's what this is all about all those people in government work for us all the people in media work for us we actually work for you and if you remember how powerful you are as an individual in the choices that you make i actually do have a lot of belief in.

The american individual to continue to strive for more freedom and independence and better quality of life that exists nowhere else but in the united states and if we really trust the consumer i believe we're going to move in the directions that are more healthy for the country i do believe that and some people may disagree with it they're like.

Oh you know i look at all these things that are taking yeah sure just like any other path there's going to be these tributaries that go off that maybe don't feel that good we have to go down those tributaries to realize oh this is how we get back to the path to actually creating a better country and a better nation and embracing freedom of the.

Press more and freedom of expression and all those things that we are really passionate about so i have a lot of hope and i think about that when i talk directly to my audience i i know sometimes it can feel real dark but i think we're being asked to ask the questions that we're asking right now i don't think if you're watching this that.

You just wound up in this storyline just for just randomly like i think you're here for a reason going through this period of questions about the us government questions about the pandemic what does personal liberty look like i think you are being asked this for a reason.

I don't know what that reason is yet it's a developing story you know a nominal answer because the main thing is is that i think too many people have been just coasting through life and i think people are realizing an awakening too that they have to.

Actually be involved or else you know right it's not going to turn out the way you want it you're not an audience member that's right you're not an audience member to this you're an active participant that's one of the things the media has done is put everybody in this audience member role instead of being.

Like no actually i work for them and it's not the other way around they don't work for me yeah you guys do have power out there you do companies are crumbling based off of decisions they've made as we speak so anyhow jenna uh thank you so much for.

Coming on please uh till where they can to my followers where they can find you at and i'll put the links below as well i appreciate it so we have our website smarternews.com don't freak out if you go to smarter news without the her we also own that too and hopefully we'll be developing different platforms so this is just the beginning.

Where most of our information seems to be reaching people in the easiest way is instagram just because of instagram stories and links to that so as much as i would like to not encourage you to do that and as much as i like to get myself off of that right now it's working for it seems to be working for people so that's another place that you can find.

Us and of course all of our longer interviews and video contents on youtube and on podcasting platforms everywhere under smarter news so you can check us out there and i'd love to see you guys so definitely go follow her uh at all these places guys and the other thing is is that you know in the instagram thing i know a lot of people may not like.

Instagram but the fact of the matter is you're turning on whatever news channel at least with her information you can consume it at your you know leisure whenever you have time versus having to watch news at this particular time or having to go to the internet um you know she puts it out there for you and it's all short and.

Concise and and i dig it so anyhow thank you so much for coming on i appreciate thanks for taking the time i really appreciate it thank you so much for having me yes ma'am thank you all right guys make sure you stay frost